It was noted that Kona would join the team later, and that she will be a nonparticipating visitor, as she is working on her PhD on a project that is almost identical to the Family Learning Centres for Sustainable Nations.

2. Moment of Stillness

Daniel: Ding ding ding ding. Please come to centre yourself, we’ll take one minute of stillness.

Hey, Ding ding ding ding

Daniel started by asking how many of those present had read the early transcripts of Monjoronson, about 12 or 14 years previously. Some had only read a few, while others had read most of them.

3. Adjusting of roles

Daniel explained that Machiventa quite literally pulled himself away from the team table to work with the dynamics of the team. He wanted to adjust people’s roles, and give Daniel more latitude to act as the facilitator because that position was empty. Sherille will become the gatekeeper and Marthe will be the recorder and the group would not have the highlights from the previous week simply because Marthe had been busy with her work as the COO of her organisation.

4. You have unlimited Celestial resources in a post-collapse scenario

The Unicorn school district has just formed a Co-Creative Design Team for a Family Learning Centre. One of the projects that will assist this Learning Centre is to teach and train families in a post-collapse, post-global pandemic situation where 50% of the world population is gone. There is no more war and there are no more armies and navies. Mortgages have been suspended as half of the houses are empty. Car payments have been suspended as there are so many surplus cars available for people. All corporate finance and financial assets have been seized by the county and by the state where corporations no longer exist. Those funds are being used to pay the salary of this Co-Creative Design Team at the rate of $2,000 a month, which is an outrageous amount of money, seeing how the economy now is just above subsistence levels.

5. What are the policies for a pilot project for the whole country?

Daniel noted that this team has been tasked with developing the policies for population management for the Unicorn school district. These will then be used for the whole country as a pilot project. What are your policies? What does your team suggest? Take your time to discuss this among yourselves as you are being paid for your time working on the team.

6. Use of facilitator and consultant

As a facilitator, I only facilitate when there’s conflict or where there are individuals who are leading themselves in a wrong direction. The role of facilitator also is working as the consultant and when the team is missing some consultant’s wisdom, then we will call upon or ask Machiventa to provide that to us.

7. This planet as an incubator for the development of human immortal souls

Jacques noted that while he was searching in all these databases, he found tremendous data there of what has been taught over 30 years. The word “incubator,” and the phrase “that this planet is an incubator for the development of immortal human souls” has been turning over in his mind. He suggested seeing in each human an evolving soul, full of potential. And keeping in mind that with intensive training, they will serve in outer space one day, or integrate the great universes. So, we should start by thinking of our children, our future children, and our grandchildren, as souls in evolution. Everything has to go in this direction, training individuals and training family. “This is my vision, that we see children as souls, and that we are working for these souls to evolve to their full potential.”

8. Governance for the growth of souls

Marthe responded that she was smiling widely, and laughing, because, for years, this little line “the universe was designed for the growth of souls,” and the term “governance for the growth of souls” has been churning in her mind, and so she loved what Jacques said, and noted that it was just the clearest, most wonderful way to start.

9. Carrying capacity of the planet

Bea agreed that that was awesome.

David asked, for all these souls to be incubated on our planet, how many people can scientifically and technically live with quality of life on our planet, 3000, 10 000, or 30 000? more?

Marthe answered that 3.5 billion would be as much as the planet could handle,

Daniel confirmed that one would need that many to sustain the planet.

Bea completely agreed with what Jacques said.

Stephane clarified that what we were being asked is to design policies in a thought experiment, where the population has been decimated, and there is a basic allowance for living, so that no one has to worry about making a living. We need to make policies for a school district where children are being schooled.

Daniel returned to David’s question, noting that the reason why Machiventa and his team have centred on social evolution is because social evolution is necessary for souls to become fuller and more resilient in the afterlife, in the morontial worlds, so social improvements, that improve the quality of life, particularly in their values and thinking, such as self-worth, self-image, and so on, assists in people graduating and having a good start in the morontial realm.

11. The suggestion of surrogate parents to fill in the roles of missing parents

Marthe noted that one of the things that struck her most in the last session was the suggestion of surrogate parents. Having lost her own mother at age two, she imagined that the first thing that would be necessary if so many children had lost parents, in a post-collapse scenario, and having been taught that families are the single most important thing necessary for the growth of souls, that we would need to fill in the roles of all those parents who were no longer there and have some policies in place.

12. Isibindi child-care workers in South Africa

Marthe pointed to the example in South Africa of an excellent best practice. Because South Africa had lost so many parents to HIV and AIDS, there’s a programme called Isibindi where they have trained child development workers who go into the homes of child-headed families. And they try and reproduce the textures and the rhythms of the family, so that if your family was making sugar beans on a Tuesday, your child development worker will come into the family and make sure that sugar beans are made on a Tuesday to try and keep some of the original rhythms of your family life.

Daniel asked her what then would be the policy for this school district in the future, and Marthe answered that money be allocated for the training of such child development workers or surrogate parents? Daniel prompted her to go further, to ensure that all children would have good parenting.

13. Assessment and training programme for surrogate parenting

Stephane noted that there would have to be a policy whereby every parent is assessed as to whether they are adequate to take on the task of being a surrogate. There would therefore be an assessment and training programme for surrogate parenting

Bea asked whether there would be a limit on the number of children a surrogate family could take, and noted that there would need to be a system in place to match eligible parents and orphaned children. She suggested a number of 3 or 4, but elaborated that if it’s a special situation where there is an excess of orphaned children, you may have to increase that number.

14. Creating a coherence of parenting

Daniel noted that we’ve been taught by the Angels and Melchizedek that three is a maximum number for a family with two parents. And in Marthe’s situation, the couples without children would be awarded children first. He pointed out the nuances that are developing out of this process, and that “a coherence of parenting” was emerging. He continued by remarking that the Angels, Nebadonia and her core, provide us, with a wonderful example of parenting. And that, for young souls that haven’t shown their moral fortitude yet, they’re cared for by a group Angel. He concluded by noting, “Your Urantia book speaks of this. But of course, all children need to have at least two parents from the beginning, because that’s when the most learning occurs, or the imprinting of culture and socialisation occur before age five.”

Jacques: If we are allowing three children, and we only need two people to replace two parents, won’t we soon have overpopulation again?

15. How many children each couple can have at a time?

Daniel: Well, what are you going to do about that? What’s your policy statement? We need a public policy based on actuarial science, that defines a scale with the passage of time, which will determine, in this century, how many children each couple can have at a time. In this era, we can only have one child, in the next 30 years, we can have two, and in the following 30 years, three. There should be statistical analysis to decide how many children we should have in each age. We know that the small family lives better, yes. No, we need an accounting, we need statistical research that would tell us how many children would be the ideal in every, in every period. So he was saying maybe in the first 100 years, one child would be what we need, depending on how many children they were. And then later, two children and then, maybe only later three children. Because we don’t know at the moment what those scales will mean for the big population, we would need to work out first, what would be the ideal rates to keep the level at 3.5 billion?

Daniel: Yes. David, typically is an advanced thinker. And he’s way ahead of us by a century. This would be an idea, we would have staff, we will have staff doing this work this background work.

Bea: Yeah, so actually, I was thinking just before the session of last week. Exactly, kind of sort of what David just alluded to, and that the policies for number of children should adapt, be adapted to the current situation. Right, like, so for instance, in China, they did it as you know, a one child policy in the urban areas. And if I’m not mistaken, they had to reverse that policy or, or loosen it, because they felt that they had overdone it. Right. So, it would be more prudent to have policies in place that could adjust to whatever the current situation is for management, that would be more responsive.

Daniel: Okay, but that would be no more than three or per couple.

Bea: Correct, that would be the maximum. But, but in terms of like, as Marthe did note, if you have three children all survive, depending on how long people will be living. You could quickly have an increasing population. Because you have a certain number of children being born. And if people are living until they’re 100 years old. This is just going to increase the population. So I’m not saying we should get rid of any. It’s just a reality. It depends also on how many how long people will be living.

Daniel: To answer to you, Bea. We have to do like the Chinese did. Chinese had one child at one time, but they have a problem. Now, there are many elderly people that need to sustain their parent and themselves and their children, this is a real problem.

My friend, my friend in China has this problem. For me, management means we need to always adjust. It’s always dynamic. I mean, 3.5 is a target for us. So if we have to be on point five, then we can have children. It’s a matter of always having in mind this, I would say incubator of mind for future universe need. So, if Michael and Nebadonia have designed this planet in the seventh dimension. Now we have a figure of 3.5 billion. We have to try to stick here. So it’s always an adjustment of our move some time, but always controlling our population.

Daniel: In this scenario information management information is shared equally with all the population ever, everyone would know that the population would need to act like an accordion, understand, and so that people are aware that when you get down to 2.5, it’s time to have more kids. And, and that people, couples have more in this era, there is much more responsibility upon the shoulders of individuals, this executive pyramid of decision making is too volatile causes too many problems.

16. The secret to the survival of a species is adaptability.

The accordion like Chinese policy, how long did they have the policy for one child, that was a long time, but it needs to be very adaptable. And see and that’s the secret to the survival of a species is adaptability. And as humans do control their environment, the harshness of the environment has been quashed, squashed, nullified. So that people are more responsible to take. People are more responsible to take appropriate actions. Right now, we are just working at the see what you’ve done, what the team has done has refined population management very, very deeply. What else would you do? Do a big, big element in this popular population management program, at least two or three elements have not been mentioned at all big.

Bea: The dying process. I was thinking, well, maybe it might not be an element, but I was thinking that, you know, the beginning of life is important and population management and so is the end. So, in this world, euthanasia is very frowned upon in general, for people who have terminal illnesses. And I know this is a very controversial subject because you know, in order to qualify for such program, you really do need to have peer reviewed policies, that that are sound that determine that the person is truly terminally ill. But I’m just wondering, you know, if that end of the other end of the life management would come into population management as well.

Daniel: Euthanasia will be a topic along with capital punishment that the team will work on in the future. So that will be answered later. And it has to all be sustainable has to all be moral. It has to all be ethical. David, you had your hand up first.

David: The point is important, the population and the reason I am saying this is a senior political public key thinker. So I think it would be very important if you need a political rationale and the concept is how to maintain our own social responsibility?

Daniel: So, David, what would you do about that? What’s your policy statement.

David: Our political communication teaches us, about how to use sexuality in a responsible manner. And there’s a whole new COVID. So, in a responsible manner.

Daniel: So, David, policy statement in less than 20 words.

David: For exemple “exit” (end life) in a responsible manner.

17. Birth control, contraception must be widely taught to everybody

Marthe: I guess that it needs to be taught at schools that we need to create teaching materials that will highlight not only responsible sexuality, but the responsibility of bringing new souls into the world.

Daniel: This would be not in the school, but it would be in the Learning Centre okay. So, we take the politics out of this stuff then, so, it begins at an early age. And in this Family Learning Center, parents are taught, people who want to have children are taught, .children are taught, grandparents are taught these classes for everyone and it is socially morally obligatory for people to take those classes and be certified that they have learned those lessons. What’s the other thing we must do? What’s the policy.

Marthe: Thank you. The contraception must be well widely available to everybody from the moment that somebody can either conceive or make somebody pregnant.

Daniel: And continue you got part of it. It would be free and it should be free.

Marthe: Absolutely. Yeah.

Daniel: Absolutely free. Yeah. No questions no shame. I can remember first time I wanted to buy condoms. You know that was way back when and the pharmacist was just like well young man. I’m here to tell you I just crawled out of that pharmacy.

David: Yes, it is like having a driving license.

Daniel: You mean a driver’s license to have sex for? Yes, Yes, for sex too. But, that would be difficult to implement. Because, people like to have says, hey, that’s how it would work.

Just a minute. I worked when I was recovering from my closed head injury in 1990. I worked as a teacher’s assistant at my daughter’s junior high school. Okay. And I was 17, 18 years old and first year of high school, ninth grade. And so I talked to my daughter and I talked to the teachers and kids who were 12 or 13, were having sex. Really, and those before them were, doing the same. And so, it would be part of the educational program that any children of age seven and eight would be taught the basics of reproduction.

And they were would be told were in and when and how to receive contraceptives. The current situation in America is that children are having children. And the children who are beginning children haven’t even been enculturated or socialized yet. It’s just tragic. Now, Marthe, you had her hand up?

Marthe: The reason why I support David statement that it is possible to have a license, especially if we’re going to have a Learning Centre for Sustainable Families. A few years ago, I don’t know if any of you remember, you couldn’t have a relationship with her without having an aid certificate. And people would go with their partners to go and do an AIDS test. And so I do think that people get used to anything.

Daniel: They remember, the certification of training begins at age seven or eight. And they would have a certificate, I guess you would call that a license. I don’t like to work licenses to authoritarian and to controlling in terms of my book, I’m a little bit anti-authoritarian, as you might know. So this education on sexual relations is not a one time thing. It is reviewed every year. They have to retest those every year. Let us not get into prescriptive procedures for a punishment, but that’s not part of our discussion at all. Okay, we’re just dealing with the policies that are positive and contribute to a balanced population. Stephane.

18. How to manage unwanted children?

Stephane: Okay. If the policy is in place, then you would have to have contingencies for accidents. So, what if what if there is a pregnancy happening that is unwanted and an accident happens then how do we deal with that?

Bea: I have a couple of suggestions in that situation. Well there’s obviously the abortion suggestion. However, there could be another solution for parents who are having difficulty conceiving or you know that the child could be brought into the world but then would be raised by an appropriate family that’s where I guess to two choices you can either abort the child if there is no one that can take care. Yeah, that is yes. It would be right I know so you’ll have to find a way then to morning after pill would work.

Bea: Okay, that is sort of abortion but fine. Okay. What do you mean abortion? You’re talking about abortion after a certain amount of time? Yes. After six weeks? So yes, the morning after pill would be in my mind that sort of an abortion.

Daniel: Yeah, so the emphasis let’s go back to our basics. We’re, we’re looking for the generation of whole lives, whole social existence. We want to have those that are born would come into whole families, you know, a family situation to be socialized and cultivated, and that they have a mind to think when mental activity begins, I guess. Anyhow, six weeks I’ve done a little bit of research when I had to work on some of these concepts earlier. That six weeks seems to be a termination date that many agree upon. David, you had a hand up?

David: I am going to comment on the moment of pregnancy. We could have a Bank of Parents wanted Children and a Bank of “unwanted” Children.

Marthe: Certainly, we need a bank of available babies that were unwanted, and a bank of parents who could not conceive. So, you could constantly make sure that there’s an easy exchange of available “resources”. So, you’re fine tuning your policies. Okay.

19. How to manage abortion?

Bea: And I make a comment about the six weeks mark? Sure. So, the six weeks mark, is generally I believe they make that the minimum or the maximum, I mean, time for abortion, because six weeks is generally when the first heartbeat of the embryo starts. It’s a range and it depends on it’s not the same in every person. But generally, six weeks is the first heartbeat. And I think that is the reason they use that as a cut off. afterwards.

There are some studies that I’ve read, I mean, not that I’ve studied these studies, because you do have to do that. My impression is that there’s some data that the fetus after six weeks is able to feel pain and the current if a fetus is aborted, therapeutically, which is a, we call it a therapeutic abortion, which is what the public understands to be an abortion after the six weeks period.

The procedure is kind; how do I say disgusting? They it basically, you know, the way that it’s done is by curettage. And that often disrupts the body. You know, what was the reason why I do not like abortion in that scenario, because I’m concerned that the fetus will feel an immense amount of pain. Anyway, so I just wanted to explain the six weeks thing. If there is an abortion, there are ways I think to do it that are a little bit more humane than the curettage. But that isn’t the standard right now.

Daniel: So, what would your policy Bea?

Bea: Well, after a six weeks situation, but ideally, if you’ve passed the six weeks, I would like to see the child born into the world and then have society deal with who is best suited to raise that child.

Daniel: Let’s turn these 180 degrees or your statement? No abortions would occur after six weeks, right? Yes, in any form. And that would be a pause. Ideally, it would be fine. And ideally, the decisions about the fetus would be made before six weeks. Every effort would be made to have the child come in into its full term, after six weeks, but before then it is responsibly, morally responsible to take action before the six weeks time, and all resources would be provided to do that. society wants to ensure that is unwanted loved child who will become a full, healthy, socially well-balanced individual. That’s our main concern. And these children then would become good candidates for transition to the morontial world, eventually. Thank you.

So, we’ve taken care of education. Through all the people who would be involved in that, from children aged 6; 7: and 8, onwards to grandparenting, elder years. The elders are very useful in assisting in socialisation, and enculturation of children. It’s just there. They’re phenomenally important to these young people. So, we have education, we’ve discussed and taking care of contraceptives, have we? Are we done with that? Okay, that they’re all free and available to individuals who have been educated with about them. We’ll also have a lot of background staff work going on about the demographics and the populations, things like that.

20. How to teach sexual activity to the young’s

Marthe: I have a just a question, curiosity question. I’ve kind of thought it’s inappropriate for a mother to give contraception to her 14 year old son as I have a son of that age. But even though I think it’s the right thing to do, it just seems inappropriate. So, I just wanted to know, would it be considered appropriate for parents to make this (contraception) available to children when you also have decisions about when children should be thinking about becoming sexually active?

Daniel: Let me answer that, then, part of the education would be the responsibility of sexual activity that would bring new life into existence. And that responsibility is that we Society offers you education, and contraceptives, and that if you abandon that, then you become responsible. And if the parents haven’t certified that their child has had the education and contraceptives, the parents become responsible for the grandchild. Absolutely, that should be a direct lineage of responsibility. And the morality of it all, should be should be very deeply, definitely described, and taught and learned.

And that the business of you know, there’s sex and there’s making love it differences in that business and that I guess that’s one of the reasons why masturbation is so popular is that not everybody has a partner. And that is a way of discharging a person’s libido that may have definitely come into a heightened arousal. I think the personally, that I think the sex for sex is legitimate, and that the emphasis should be on partnering. Sex for 13 to 14 years old, is a way of exploring relationships. It’s a way of defining your eventual partner.

I’ve discovered through my limited sexual acts activities in my life that 80% of men are as corny as hell, and that only 20% of women are so. Do it as a middle-aged person when I was younger, is that I found that women who were in their 40s and 50s. For them, sex is a way of enticing capable males, partnering, raising children being a companion, and so on, and that they don’t do sex for sex sake. But I discovered that’s correct. That I’ve never I’ve not read any thumbs up from me. So, you know, Playboy used to really produce some wonderful articles on human sexual, and the sociology of human sex, that were just astounding, and very mature.

And so I think that’s the only place that ever read about the 60/20 80/20 ratios of men and women. And so anyhow, back to the population management. I told you, we’re going to have fun today. Do we have lost the Machiventa? He’s nodding his head. He says, true. You know, he’s been around as a log log log time. Yes.

21. Education as a natural and humane means of moderating population growth

Daniel: Actually, it’s really interesting. Talking to nerds, you know, techies, a lot of them are a regular males, but a lot of them are just totally bonded with their keyboard. And their technologies and they teased, really, it’s a distraction to them. To this, you know, the libido is distraction into them. I think I’ve told the group earlier that after 65, I produced 80% of all my writings in my lifetime. My libido had gone, gone by, and I could say my energy, then could be concentrated on my creativity, rather than my frustrations.

Okay. I’m glad we can be really frank about this, because traditional Buddhism is hasn’t done anybody any good at all, and are you getting most of this? Okay, I’m gonna tell you that, in our population management scheme, our strategy, we’re really dealing with strategy, policies, strategies, really strategic policies for society? What have we left undone Marthe?

Marthe: I just an important thing that I learned very late in life is that the more educated people are, and this also goes for host societies, the fewer children they have. And that phrase is Africa was one of the country that had 29 of the 31 countries with most children per woman. So, an unintended consequence is that we not aware that people when they become more educated naturally have fewer children, and we might not take that into account in our calculations.

Bea: I wanted to add that part of that is also the lack of access to contraception as well and absolutely mis-education surrounding contraception or religious. You know, we understand Ristic restriction.

Daniel: As part of our strategy and policy discussions, Gable, we have a new guest [Kona] joining us. It looks like someone is sitting on the side there—yes. Hi, Hakuna. Hello! Good to see you.

We are currently working on population management, Kona. In that context, we have identified three major policy distinctions. One of the key approaches we are developing is education as a natural and humane means of moderating population growth. The evidence is quite clear: the more educated people are, the fewer children they tend to have.

As an adjunct to this, we propose a population-management policy in which all citizens are educated to the fullest extent of their individual capacity. This means that educational content and depth would be adapted to each person’s abilities. For example, someone with an IQ of 75 or 80 would receive an education appropriate to their level of comprehension, which would naturally differ from that of someone with greater intellectual capacity.

I do not believe this approach represents an unreasonable bias or prejudice; rather, it reflects a practical and compassionate recognition of human diversity and individual capability.

Bea: I think we have not discussed the case, as you mentioned, educated people to their full capacity. What about people who have not full capacity? Or we’ll start to have deficiency? So, we did not discuss this point. But here we need the Poli Sci. Oh, yeah.

22. Ethic and morality of the world are incredibly primitive

Daniel: One of the major topics we will be discussing that will be assigned to our team is morality and ethics. the morality of the world is incredibly primitive, we really only deal with a social, personal social level of ethics and morality. To our great detriment, we do not have a societal morality. Okay, we don’t have a national societal morality, we don’t have a civilizational morality, and we do not have a planetary morality. So, at the most, we have a personal and social morality.

And these are completely inadequate for the courts, and for dealing with the problems that you just raised with those of limited intelligence. These are all related to gun control, a population management, euthanasia, all those things. And so, bottom line, we will be getting down to ethics and ethics and morality eventually. So the questions you’re raising now will be completely 100% germane to our future discussions. Just calling up. I know that you just came from the dentist. I hope you’re not in pain.

Stephane: I have to leave the meeting. So, I will. I will catch up with all of you next week.

Daniel: Stephane, thanks for your presence here, thank you, thank you.

23. How to manage people with severe disabilities and sterilization

Marthe: Thank you. I just wanted to continue with what Geoff said concerning the issues of making policies for instance, people with severe disabilities. How would one make a moral decision about sterilization of women who are severely or physically disabled and also tragically cases of great abuse of such women?

How would one make such moral decisions based on levels of disability know, for instance, having a child who is severely disabled and would not be able to provide what’s the word, protect herself from predators and might become pregnant because of rapes and who’s not in any position to have sexual activity or risk? What is the word mutual sexual activity? How would one manage such?

Daniel: Well, your comment and your interest is really out of bounds of our discussion for population management. Okay, your question your situation deals with ethics and morality. And those are the ethics and morality of our civilization are incredibly barbaric. And your topic is extremely poignant, but I do not want to go astray. With that now at this time, we don’t want to major deflection. That’s what I don’t want. Okay. Yes, David.

David: We are going to set limits. Having parents’ physical and mental health is important. The parents must be kinetically and mentally prepared, not adding more unknown factors. We must avoid problems that lead to them ending up in clinics or hospitals, when you have to be a responsible person—sexually, mentally, and freely—so that the new population is not uninformed. This is like a public policy. Politically, it is necessary to be well established so that one can maintain healthy habits and take responsibility—mentally, physically, and as parents—without reaching a plateau.

Speaker 5: I think it’s well understood that he’s just saying that people should not have just they should be free from genetic disabilities or things that would otherwise dispose their children to genetic diseases.

Daniel: So let me submit that, the part of your certification or the license you carry, is that you’re capable of having children and raising children that’s two sides of one coin of ethics and morality. And that will have to be dealt with later. You have to have a population that is capable of moral decisions right now.

Today, our societies are not morally capable or competent or responsible. It’s really a very pathetic situation. So, you, guys are really thinking now, appreciate this. Why don’t we discuss a next topic that we want to discuss in our Co Creative Design Team? Are we for one blows determine whether we have sufficiently discussed population management? Have we reached a point where we can close this topic? Now? Marthe.

Marthe: Daniel, if I understand correctly, you are saying that we can’t because our society is not sufficiently moral to make good decisions. We can’t discuss things like whether people should have Down Syndrome children which in our society, they’re discouraging, and yet people say I’m so happy I had my Down Syndrome child. So how are you saying we can’t discuss those issues because they will be really important, or is it out of bounds?

Daniel: We need to save that question for discussion on morality and ethics. I mean, seriously, I mean, I understand your cause. Turn into your furrowed brow speaks volumes. But we, I want to come away from these training sessions with really, you know, meaty policies. Okay that we can handle our children and grandchildren in the future and say, you want to establish a competent, capable society, democratic society.

Here’s some policies to put into effect. We remember when we first started, we I describe the society that we the situation, our society that it was post cataclysm, meaning it was post pandemic, it was post collapse, and that we were in the process of rebuilding our societies around the idea of policies that we wanted to develop. So, we could be at this another six months quite easily.

So I asked, everyone a question about whether we can tie a bow in this topic at this time. And, and no, we cannot because they’re on resolved, population issues concerning ethics and morality. Morality takes a much more dominant position concerning the topic of population management. Okay. And remember, we can always come back to this. Because the highlights that our recorder is giving us so far, I think we have maybe one or two pages at the most of highlights from our discussions last week and this week, okay. Is this not a long narrative that we want? We want just the just the points and the recorder.

I want, you to go back and review the notes. If you think you missed a highlight, then do that. But it should be something that we could hand someone or text them, send them an email in a couple of pages and then go and say: Oh, got it. That was a great discussion you guys had particularly the racy parts.

Marthe: I think maybe both David and I don’t quite understand why you want to separate the morality and ethics part from the conversation we’re having today. Apart from the fact that you say our society is far too primitive, there’s nobody ethical enough to make any such decisions. Right.

24. The 7 urge motivation values

Daniel: The reason is, if you read my paper, making sense of ethics, you will understand that we need to form a foundation for moral and ethical decision making. We haven’t gotten there yet. We haven’t discussed the 7 urge motivation values chain that are innate to all beings. That is are the basics, you know, value, we know that values always underlie all decisions. I’ve been corrected on that language at grammar many times by others, but anyhow, values always underlie decisions always.

So, I’ll give you a teaser here, the basis for ethics and morality that is universal and timeless, is based on the 7 universal and timeless urge motivation values that are innate to humans. Once you have them, then you have constants. They act as constants, human constants. The reason I’ll send you a paper about the strategic social leadership, this paper explains this, the values and the constants in very brief terms.

Daniel: I remember very, very clearly, in college, I went to Arizona State University between 1960 to 1966. I graduated four years paid my own way through college. So, I asked my professor in sociology, I said,

Sir, why is it? What are the reasons that the physical sciences are so far advanced compared to sociology in the social sciences? And I wasn’t aware of my question was very, very precocious. And after he recovered from being taken aback by my question, he said, it’s basically because they have constants, and mathematics and measurements, that are irrefutable. They can’t be argued. So far, in all the social sciences, there are almost no constants available to the social sciences to develop social truths for students or for those people who are doing research, they continue to do research, and they argue, and argue and argue.

I also make the comment in the paper, that in 2500 years ethics has not been resolved. They still argue about ethics. What is the foundation of ethics? I can’t tell you they argue with each other. And, the modern ethics uses other references, they were arguing about ethics forever. And they were using other ethics, other professors to justify their arguments. Well, that’s just BS, that’s weak. What we’re really need are irrefutable human constants, that we can develop some human truths for our social sciences. Maybe that’s arrogant of me to say that, but I have never heard anyone say it before. Yes.

Bea: I agree that the social sciences and the philosophical world they almost argue for the sake of arguing or argue for the sake of getting their paper out there, or their theory out there. But they’re not really doing it for the right reasons. Right. It’s for their own intellectual ego, I suppose. I don’t know how else to put it. But there, I do what I read when I read these, you know, some of these papers that people write, it is true.

I mean, I was just reading something form Karl Marx, I don’t know how I stumbled on this paper. But it’s out of Stanford. And when I’m reading it, it’s just all of it is just critique and, and confusion, and there really isn’t a, you know, they’re not actually saying anything. At the end of the day, they’re saying, okay, this person said this, but they disagree. And there’s a problem with that theory.

So anyway, I agree with you, I think we do need to come up with some constants, but they also have to be peer reviewed. And that’s something important in these physical sciences. They have peer review. Yes. Well, and so there’s an agreement in a group of people that this is the standard of our science. Yeah. This is gonna sound really egoistic. Okay. But being an original thinker, I don’t have any peers.

Daniel: I’ve found no one who has arguments with the supports that I’ve discovered and promote. And it embarrassed me to have said that about myself, but it just certain definite truth about that. And I think that’s one of the reasons my theories have not been accepted by social sciences, because they are not capable of peer review and, and honest critique using the measurements I’ve used Anyway, well, I’m not far off our work here.

Bea: So I think read and translated your paper a tick and normally I would say why is this people cannot criticize this type of document, because they feel there are plenty of truth. You can’t argue is wrong. It makes sense from the beginning to the end. Full stop. What is more? It’s alive. It’s fact.

Daniel: Did you really be brash about it? How often have you seen somebody refute? 2500 years of theory? I mean, look, we’ll have the Copernicus and Galileo. Goodness sakes. Let’s tie this in the bowl today. We’re ready to do that? Notice this is almost a terminology, but boy, they’re calling it a bomb.

26. Machiventa closing

Machiventa: This is Machiventa Melchizedek, your planetary manager. Well, children, we’re well pleased with your thinking, and the diligence of your inquiry and the points of your discoveries. This is exactly what we have been wanting for so many centuries from your race of people. You are advancing your situation on this planet for this planet’s future. By leaps and bounds. You are in fact the architects of the societies that will soon come into being on your world. I say soon in the terms of 100 to 700 years, depending on the circumstances of how well these concepts are received. You are unaware of many of the advancements in your world that will have a tremendous effect upon what you propose here today.

I will give you an example, one which is now under current extensive controversy and difficulty and that is the prospect of Artificial Intelligence (AI). This area too is bereft of morality and ethics. It is bereft of those social human constants, which are essential for the progress of social organisations on your world. Whether it is economies, politics, administrations, governments, families, education, all of these social sciences have much to learn and a far distance to grow. You are in many ways, those rebellious individuals of society that were so evident in the riots of the 60s and 70s, those belligerent individuals who insisted that peace was a way of all good things in the future, and that love was the basis for that peace. So, you and we are working together on the topics of your team. It is essential that your societies understand the basis for peace, and that it must begin within the individual on the intrapersonal level before it can become expressed on the outer level.

We, meaning Myself and Gabriel and my Melchizedek’s Team, have offered unlimited resources to those who wish to promote what we are working on. And that is the Social Stability of your world, which will lead to peace and the Days of Light and Life.

It is our goal in the long, very long term, that more individuals would graduate from this material planet to the morontia realm successfully, than in the past.

Your planet has a very low pass/fail rate of those individuals who are entering into the morontia realm and the mansion worlds. We want it, as my goal, my duty, my obligation to Christ Michael to take all efforts to promote a better, more generative incubation planet, than it has been in the past. We thank you for your participation. It is a pleasure to speak with you. Thank you, I wish you good day.

PostedMay 31, 2026

UpdatedMay 31, 2026

ByJuan Ramirez

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